Wednesday, February 4, 2015

On Being Open

As we have started to do this for longer, the question inevitably becomes how do you handle it in public? As anyone who has read this knows, I struggle from time to time with achieving the right balance or feeling there is constant consistency in my authority (whatever that means).  I doubt we will ever be in a place where I would be completely open about it or maybe even to be able to joke like I have read many people can.

For a lot of different reasons, what we do or how we do it has to have some veil in the outside world. But, at the same time, it becomes somewhat impossible to really do this and take control or be in charge (or the other way around for him) if it is not all the time.  I think it would be terribly confusing for it to just be at the house or just around certain people or just whatever.  That seems to me to go against the exact reason we started this--to have clear boundaries and expectations.

Knowing all of this intellectually, conceptually or emotionally, much like anything, does not make it a bit easier to put into practice.  If anything, it makes it harder.  Because there is no real rule book for a couple trying to do this the way I want to, and which takes his needs into account too or the realities of our lives.  So this particular issue has great significance because it is the public face of the relationship and how we choose to show or demonstrate some or parts of what we do, without wearing a sandwich board up and down the street.

In many ways, being in a community or with a network of friends who do this would be ideal because there would be no need to shield anything because everyone is more or less like minded.  But in the real world of professional lives, personal lives and private lives, it is not as easy.

If this is a lifestyle choice you decide to make, it makes logical sense that it must, in fact, be your lifestyle.  I think I worry far more what people would think or interpret than actually probably is likely.  In my experience, most people are wrapped up in their own life and so pay far less attention to others' lives than we think.  That is a somewhat freeing proposition because it allows for your life to be your own and be less constrained by what you fear others may say or think.

In the spirit of all of this, we have been trying to put more of what we choose to do into day to day practice.  The results are somewhat surprising but correlate with the theory that people rarely care what you are doing as long as it does not directly impact them or hold some particular interest for them.  I will relay two short anecdotes to underscore my point about why I think openness does not have to be explicit and can really reinforce what we are all doing (or thinking of doing).

We had some people over to our house on Saturday and were dealing with one million child related things.  My husband was amazing at taking care of all of us, without my friend noticing more than simply he is a great guy and sharing the delightful accolade of how lucky I am (which I am).  He held boxes, brought libations, made snacks, played in the pool with the kids and just generally helped out. I do not think he felt over used or even that I would require any of those specific things, but he genuinely likes to make my life easier and this was one such time.  And what I discovered was that instead of me asking him a bajillion times if he was ok or would he mind, I just told him what I needed if there was something beyond what he was already doing.  He did it without questions and no one really was the wiser.  Clearly I did not just bark orders, but if you listened closely, you would know it was not a request.  At the end of the night I realized how much fun we all had, and how it was okay to let some of this show.  My friend had no idea or even if she did, did not really get phased by it or curious, but rather just appreciated that her drink was always full and we were well taken care of.

In a similar fashion, we were at a super bowl party on Sunday, and my aunt was trying to lug a huge case of beer across their backyard.  There were no fewer than twenty five able bodied men at said party and not one person thought to help her.  That shocked me for several reasons, but perhaps is a post for a different day.  My husband (who only did not notice because he was attending to my request for an adult beverage) turned to look at me to see which one I wanted, saw me signal ever so slightly to my aunt and immediately crossed the back yard to take the beer from her and deliver it to where it needed to be.  It was a great moment because no one thought anymore about it than he is chivalrous and kind, but we were able to ever so subtly deepen our respective roles just a little bit more.

I have said before that sometimes you just have to fake it until you make it, and interjecting small reminders of whatever your dynamic is into everyday life is one way to do that.  It does not have to be a big show or anything more than my husband will help you, or you need to do X.  For people who practice, all of this would likely be obvious and so not even worth commenting on in a like minded group.  But my point in all of this is that even in the real world with a series of variables of different personalities and the like, there are ways to be true to what you are doing without causing a big stir.  And, more importantly, I think you have to find ways to subtly (or not subtly if that is your thing) weave it in to every day life to really make it your lifestyle.

I know this topic has been covered in other blogs, but how people deal with their relationships in the "real" world is probably a topic that always could use further discussion.  If you want to share, contribute, etc. please do.

19 comments:

  1. Mistress Rhiannon

    I so get this. The way you have described your interactions is the same way I behave in public. N is uncomfortable with ‘advertising’ this dynamic between us and therefore I need to limit the overtness of what is happening so that it looks like I am just being attentive. Social norms getting in the way again.

    I would willingly do more if she wanted it. Wear a costume, be naked, sit at her feet, whatever. I get a real buzz from showing my devotion and service to her in this way. If she would allow me to do more to really show this, that would be heaven. I just love watching her get accolades from her friends about me and my behaviour and the service I provide. I so want them to be jealous of her.

    A recent example was a Xmas party my wife had with her friends which we hosted. I made cocktails, served drinks, collected the food and served it, cleared the tables, did the dishes, anything and everything I could. I disappeared when not required to allow them the privacy to talk (not too far away) and kept an eye out on what else was required to be done. I was elated that I could do that for her.

    My only concern is that I may have made some of her friends sad or regretful as they observe my dutiful service and they compare that to their partners and their relationship. If I could eliminate that part I would, but have no idea how.

    Once again I love reading your posts. DtBHC.

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    1. DtBHC:

      I think it is wonderful to hear how much you enjoy serving and assisting your wife. From my perspective, knowing a man enjoys that aspect of service makes it so much easier to get around social conventions that you are simply being bossy. I think my husband similarly enjoys it and genuinely wanted to serve us and make the day run more smoothly. It was wonderful to feel so taken care of and that it is something he likes as well- the last piece really makes it feel like this is right.

      I can see how the jealousy could stack up among the ladies, but hopefully what seeing your service (or any man who does this) and seeing both the love that exists and the joy he/you get from service, will encourage them to try it in their own relationships. Maybe that will be a model for others to try and see if it works. Thanks for posting!

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  2. We do as you say "live this lifestyle" but, not in an overt or "in your face" way. My wife uses more of what I would call quite dominance. She may use body language, signals, or simply-calmly tell me what she wants done if I don't anticipate. The truth is, people don't really see things unless they are looking for them and if they do, so be it. So we just live our normal (flr) life. Maybe it is easy for us as most of our friends and family live some degree of female led marriage. On those times we have been asked about it, we openly and honestly answer questions.

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    1. Thanks for posting! I agree that subtle openness is a great way of addressing this and staying true to what you do without imposing it on others, just as I do not enjoy the choices or lifestyles of others necessarily imposed on me. Not that I disagree with any way someone lives his or her life, but any time someone is in your face about something, I think it can be hard to handle.

      I am curious as to whether you have always been in a circle of people with FLR or tendencies toward such, or it has evolved over time? It may be a chicken and egg type question, but I am interested if it has always been that way (and which might have influenced your own choice) or you naturally gravitate now to people with greater FLR aspects.

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  3. Mistress at first I was going to say you are worried about things you don't need to worry about. You know that everyone that is married has sex but it's not talked about. The same is true with what we do. Then you wrote about two cases where your submissive did things that to someone in the know would understand. I also feel you might be surprised at how many of your friends might also be into spanking. Yes you set up boundaries. I don't call my wife Mistress in public but I do call her dear. You can also have "code" words. Maybe he is doing something that is upsetting you and he's getting close to a spanking, or that he has crossed the line and will be spanked. With us if Mistress says we need to talk later about (and she will make something up) the messy basement. That tells me what I'm doing is wrong and I better stop. If she says something like your aunt sent me an e mail she is thinking of visiting us. ( I used to be spanked by my Aunt) That tells me that I will be getting spanked later. One main boundary is always treat her with respect. I hope this helps.
    archedone

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    1. Thanks for the post. I certainly understand the signals or code words. That is a great point.

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  4. Hi Rhiannon............

    For us, it IS all the time too. There is never a second that goes by in our lives that "it" isn't real and in full force and effect. For us, like you and others, it's merely a matter of managing how we demonstrate that in public. I can tell you with a 100% certainty that Mistress K. can deliver a powerful message of immense approval or terrible disappointment simply with a raised eyebrow or natural expression on her face.

    I love how you so wonderfully described how your full time Domination and his full time submission are always "on", just not always apparent to the vanilla eye in non-private situations. Like you, Mistress K and I have an urgent need for discretion in our lives and in our community. I happen to believe that scenarios like you describe are some of the natural tests of a true FLM/FLR relationship. If a subtle exertion of dominance cannot be communicated subtly but sternly in a vanilla public setting, then it's quite likely there is a foundational problem with that relationship.

    Before we were FLM and a blissfully ignorant, vanilla couple in love, we were always regarded by our friends as having a wonderful marriage. Open expressions of love, desire, respect, etc. to each other while in the presence of others was what they were used to seeing. So now, when they see me adhering to "request and decisions" for us made in public by my wife, it's completely natural and just another demonstration of what a happily married couple looks like in their eyes. Conversely, if I've screwed up, Mistress will say openly that she'll paddle me for that later in front of others, in jest. She and I are the only ones that truly know that she isn't kidding. I suspect there are some that nod and smile externally while internally thinking that is not only possible, but wouldn't surprise them if they were to discover it were true.

    I'll make a small predication, I'll bet that the highly anticipated, nationwide introduction into a sexual power exchange dynamic that will come out of 50 Shades of Grey will elevate the collective ability of people to recognize some of these subtle signs that you speak of. I know it's popular for people in the lifestyle to shit-hammer this book and movie because it's not real, not accurate, not .... whatever. I think what it will do is create a path for open discussion of the dynamic in real world settings among otherwise vanilla people. Remember how excited each of us was when we began to discover and embrace this remarkable life we live now? It will be interesting to see how a whole nation reacts as they begin to discover it too.

    Great post as always Rhiannon.

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    1. Thanks, Sub Hub. Great comment, as usual.

      My thought on the success of that book itself shows an increased willingness of people to explore this as a topic. I am also intrigued to see how it plays out.

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  5. I may not be addressing your post directly, but I think over time in a DD relationship , obedience, attentiveness and good behavior in public become ingrained without a wife using the more overt powers of authority she might use in private to enforce rules or punish. My wife has developed several subtle signals she uses in public to let me know I am crossing a line and consequences will follow if I don't get it under control. But .someone not in DD would probably never conclude it to be more than a well mannered husband and perhaps an assertive wife . I do think however other people in a DD would perceive the dynamic, subtle as it is and that probably happens sometimes without our knowing.

    Alan

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    1. Alan

      Thanks! I agree as it goes on it will probably be something as simple as a look or a word.

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  6. Damn it Google blogger!

    Rhiannon, I had a perfectly worded comment that someone just disappeared in cyber air, never to be found again.

    With only the few minutes I have left to start over, let me just say that like you, our FLM is always on, always there and always in effect. I am expected to behave and act the same no matter what we are doing, where we are doing it or with whom. That being said, Mistress K. can a very clear, detailed story about how she is feeling at any given moment with nothing more than a raised eyebrow or a certain look. The manner in which we could possibly be viewed in public varies with our environment. The cores principles of what is expected by each of us (mostly me) never varies.

    Excellent post!

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  7. While, this is a great post.

    It is true that there are so many aspects of our life that are not shared, yet to be who we are it is necessary to be open at times. In a way this touches on my recent post, and with some of the experiences of my daughter. The term I coined for it is family friendly femdom. In a sense there is nothing wrong with giving a man directions in front of family and friends. It is who we are as a couple, and people are either understanding or even unaware. Most of the time people couldn't care less. On the other hand there are practices that should be kept private. No one needs to know your husband is spanked or does corner time unless you chose to make it public.
    However, what is wrong with acknowledging that you have a relationship where by your husband does what you tell him to do?

    For John and I life got better when we opened up with our children. In a sense it was impossible to hide femdom from them unless we chose to act like different people.
    At the end of my recent post I asked a question for the men, 'which type of femdom relationship would they prefer to be in'. I would appreciate it you would allow your husband to answer that question on my blog. Love, Kathy

    Love, Kathy

    Loved your post. I would be interested in having your reaction to my latest post.

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    1. Thanks, Kathy! I will definitely comment on your post, and my husband is certainly allowed to answer that question as well.

      I am not sure there is anything wrong at all with acknowledging the type of relationship we lead, though obviously, as you suggest, keeping some parts private.

      For me, it is less a refusal to do it but not yet being comfortable enough with it or having a group of friends here that I would be open with about much really. My closest friends I think would be a different scenario and I would be less concerned about being more open about it.

      It is why I like being public about it but not needing to further discuss unless it comes up I guess. Most people are relatively self-absorbed so there does not tend to be a lot of follow up.

      I agree there will be a time our children need to know more parts of this, and we have not really hid much of it yet. But they are younger. I am not sure how it will or could change as they get older. But I think it is very important for young women to see leadership and female empowerment from a very young age. I always enjoy reading about your relationship with Becky and what she seems to have gained through observation.

      My daughter actually said a few nights ago that she had to correct her friends about what boy/girl jobs were because her stepdad does things at the house and works, just like I take care of other things--and one or the other job is not specifically for boys or girls. I was both proud she thought that and sad that in 2015, young girls still conceptualize a difference in male/female jobs or tasks.

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  8. Rhiannon,
    Hard to say if it was the chicken or the egg. By my early teen years I began to notice such things. My dad worked off for weeks at a time so my mother ran the household and raised us kids. Her best friend lived down the road and she ran her household with her husband openly deferring to her. They had a couple of daughters that were and are fairly dominant. They were the closest kids for us to visit with.I,m sure some of this had a effect on us. I married an assertive, dominant girl as did my brother. My sister is dominant in her marrige. My childhood best friend's mother very openly ran her family and now he has a dominant wife. My brother's son married a dominant woman . His daughter is openly incharge of her husband. My daughter and daughter-in-law both run their marriages. In more than half of our friends the husband deferrs to the wife. I could go on buy you get the idea. Of course we are not priveledge to private times, this is just the normal day to day decisions made by the wife and supported by the husband..
    Are youger people embracing female led more or is it just becoming normal to them?
    I know that after having lived a reccognized female led marriage that we both are happier and the people we know that live that way seem happier too.

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  9. Thanks for your insight. I can see why you may have chosen this direction based on the influences. As we have daughters, I am curious to know how this impacts people later in life.

    As for the younger generation, it is hard to say. We are in our mid 30s so perhaps younger than some that are on this journey, and I have at least two friends that either are considering or live some form of this. My younger sister does not necessarily dominate in her relationship but he defers to her on some things and certainly has certain aspects of showing female respect such as standing whenever a woman gets up or leaves a room. I also notice at work that more of the younger men I work with respond better to being told what to do, and seem to gravitate towards women as their preferred superiors.

    It is likely highly individualized and much of my generation holds on this notion of pure equality, I think as a reaction to previously male dominated relationships we might remember from our youth. But, as I have posted about previously, I think the idea of a truly equal relationship is really just that--an idea. I do not think any relationship can ever really be equal, and by acknowledging one partner leading in most or all, I think it simplifies the chaos of decision by decision choice or the inevitable decision fatigue that comes from trying to make choices with equal participation.

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  10. Recently my wife and I went on a date with another couple. Our FLR is fairly new as we are both learning from each other.
    This was the first time we had gone out with another couple since we have begun our FLR.
    I have never felt so proud, honored, excited and sexy to have had the privilege of serving my wife amongst other people, them not knowing of our dynamic the entire time.
    If someone were to look closly, they would see a couple who are best friends and who still enjoy each others campany. I must admit, it did feel good seeing my wife's friend somewhat jealous ;)
    I am so honored to have such a strong, confident, honest and beautiful wife who allows me to serve her.She Is teaching me not to be selfish and for that l am so greatful. She has shown me how much I was trying to top from bottom and we are both still leaning.
    l will always love, worship and obey you my love. Thank you for your stength,courage and guidance.

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  11. Decades ago in a marriage husband and wife had their own seperate tasks.
    The man was working all day and the wife was at home : cleaning, cooking, looking after the kids, doing laundry etc. Women mostly did not study in those days because their destination was to look after the household.
    In the evening the husband was reading his paper or sat in front of the telly. It was tradition. household was the domain of women and actually men were even sent out of the kitchen.
    Many men in those days could not even boil an egg.

    Currently women also study and get jobs : extra money for the household is very welcome.
    So both husband and wife nowadays have a job. However there are still the household tasks to be done. So now it is no less than simply fair he has his share in the household tasks.
    As a consequence, nowadays it is quite normal when husband is cooking, vacuuming, serving guests at a party, mops floor when a guest by accident drops his glass.
    If grand- granddad would have done this decades ago, people would have raised eyebrows because it was not considered normal.
    So actually what you describe Rhiannon I actually consider normal behavior in a relation where both people respect each other and not specifically typical for FLR and I think most people will see it that way.

    What you often see on pictures or read in FLR stories, where during a party the husband is acting up, his wife takes her husband apart and the guests after a while hear loud smacks and muffled screams
    coming out of the bedroom and 15 minutes later see the guy return, teared eyes rubbing his behind:
    that would be a lovely scene at a party attended by people who are all members of the Disciplinary Wive's Club, but it is far too much info for vanilla people.
    They dont understand it, actually dont want to be confronted with it and is in a way a form
    of exhibitionism. Same when the guy would walk around in a French Maid uniform during a vanilla party, crawl and kissing his wife's feet. It is too explicit for vanilla people.
    They don't understand this and why should anyone want to supply those people with information they don't want.

    I don't think fifty shades will really have any impact on this. Moreover in fifty shades male dominance is the norm, female dominance even has a longer way to go.

    Kind regards,

    appie

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  12. thank you so much for Your comment Miss Rhiannon.

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  13. I'm going to comment without reading the previous comments so this may have been mentioned already. As I read your post I kept thinking that underlying your question is 'fear' of being found out. What strikes me with your particular husband/wife relationship is that you have a husband that wants to obey. Given this there should be few times where overt correction is needed. My personal feelings as one who is powerless like your husband is that my wife gracefully leads at all times. It's not that I am powerless to have an opinion but rather I know when to step aside to let her made a decision. If I misread her, she will let me know that we won't be doing this or that without bringing much attention to our disagreement. I tell her I'm sorry or acknowledge with an 'ok, your the boss' and life goes on - her way.

    If you have read the femdom 101 blog Kathy noted an instance at a super bowl party where her normally compliant husband gave her grief and she had to overtly correct him. That same thing happened to me once a few years back and although it did raise the eyebrows of those who heard Katie state, "don't you dare do that." the issue soon passed and the party continued. Now there may have been a discussion later by those who witnessed her addressing me but there was no wrong in what she said. I believe Kathy would concur in the situation she was forced in when her husband whined about leaving before the game was over.

    Love your blog by the way. You write wonderfully!

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